It's not a friggin' word, ALL RIGHT?!
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azuritealright is not a word. Yes, you may see it in manga and even in published magazines, but it's still not a word. Yes, you can look it up on Dictionary.com, but see what it says? NONSTANDARD. In dictionary-speak, that means ILLEGAL! It's NOT A WORD. Just like 'alot' is not a word! STOP IT!!!!
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Date: 2004-10-03 03:58 am (UTC)Boo yah
Date: 2004-10-04 04:42 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-10-03 04:49 am (UTC)Yes it is
Date: 2004-10-04 04:43 am (UTC)Forgive me for I have sinned
Date: 2004-10-03 05:48 am (UTC)Anyway, I need you to tell me PLEASE, what characters would you like featured in your WDKY anniversary sketch (I'm gonna try to fit hhhhmmm let's say ten). I already have Tea, Kaiba, Tristan, Yugi, and Joey so you have your pic of five more (if you want me to replace someone I will . . . eh - oh hell, let me know if you want to see what I have so far! and you can critique, suggest, demand, whatever ^_^). Hillary Duff's song "Fly" is totally driving this sketch. Totally.
Re: Forgive me for I have sinned
Date: 2004-10-04 04:45 am (UTC)As for characters... *super happy grin* Serenity, Mai, Chieko (if you want a more specific character descrip. than is in the story, lemme know), Duke OR Bakura, and Mokuba!
But yay, I can't wait to see the finished product~! *sings*
Re: Forgive me for I have sinned
Date: 2004-10-04 06:22 am (UTC)In depth Chieko description would be very helpful indeed!!!!! ^_^
Re: Forgive me for I have sinned
Date: 2004-10-06 05:23 am (UTC)1 - First appears in Chapter 6
2 - Name means "Child of Wisdom and Grace" with her family name meaning "Different Pastures.
3 - She has shoulder-length light blonde (almost platinum, but with a "sunny" tint to it) hair and light brown (caramel) eyes.
4 - She dresses, speaks, walks, and acts VERY politely, especially compared to other Japanese teenagers.
5 - Since she wants to be a fashion designer, she does let that interest show-- in her jewelry and accessories, especially those in her hair, most always.
6 - She also speaks and has spent time in China and France, so clothing/styles from there could be an influence.
7 - She spent her first year and a half of high school (equiv. to Japanese; two and a half by American 4 year HS standards) at Degas Ballet Academy in New York, so she has a pretty nice figure and taut leg muscles.
8 - In everyday wear, she's still pretty formal and sophisticated, but she's fond of unusual things-- scarf belts, ballet flats, and arm warmers(though probably not all at once... o_O)
Yeeep. That's it. ;)
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Date: 2004-10-03 11:53 am (UTC)In fact, I've said things on this issue before, not necessarily about spelling, but about grammar and the same rule applies.
The approach to correct spelling is one of the reasons I never felt myself to be an English Major and more to be a writer. Indeed, there are standard spellings and non standard spellings. True, it is best to use the standard spelling, but just as there are exeptions to rules in everything, there are exceptions to rules in the English language as well.
Let me explain further. When writing an academic paper, people not only should, but MUST use standard spelling and grammar. It is not an exception in the academic world. There are standardizations for a reason. Standardizatoin creates order within a language and makes it more accessible to others and easier to read because they don't have to work around the changeablity,which, if one studies anything written before about 1800 or so will realise can be a big issue.
The truth is that English isn't really a language, but several languages mashed together over time, used, spread, mutated, and standardized. It was that gradual standardization of English that made it a language in the first time. Standardization in verbal used, and eventually in written use as well.
However, over time it has shown that language is a malleable thing. I personally like to compare it to a sculpting medium. It can be shaped. It is shaped by culture and by use. Even in modern standardizations there are variations among country. To use a common word, I know that it wouldn't be acceptable on an academic paper where you are to write 'colour', but where I am, it's practically law.
Beyond academics, however, I feel there is greater leeway for variations in spelling, just as vocally there is leeway for variations in pronunciation. Can we see where I'm going yet?
In fiction I find non standardized spellings to be perfectly acceptable in several instances. My favourite is a first person narrator with a dialect. When listening to people use the world all right, for example I very rarely hear 'all right'.
I often hear: allright, alright, a'right, a'ight, y'ight and sometimes even just right.
I personally say mmm'kay, but that has nothing to do with anything.
The thing is, all laws are arbitrary, including spelling laws.
Beyond that, I think I also want to say that worrying about the way other people spell adds unnecessary stress. As long as you spell correctly (gosh, not me, I never spell correctly, my spelling is atrocious at times) then anything beyond, 'hey, are you aware that the correct spellings are all right, a lot' etc. just adds unneeded stress and can be let go.
Though, I do accept that if non standard spellings are used frequently people will forget the correct way and that non standard will become standard, or an accepted alternative to the standard, but then at the same time I see a language that is beautiful, fluid, moving, artistic, altering, and in all realisation the increased used of non standard spellings indicates to me that the English language is not a stagnating thing, but a beautiful, growing, wonderful thing, and it excites me to know that in 1000 years, English may seem a different language all together.
And isn't that an exciting concept. It makes me wish I could be alive in 1000 years to see it.
In no way do I see it as wrong to desire correct use of spelling. Using good spelling is perfectly desireable. It just so happens that I think something different, and sure I know I was always told that if it wasn't in agreement say nothing, but where has that ever gotten anyone anywhere.
So I hope I haven't offended you at all. This is simply what I think, and I feel that all people are entitled to their opinions. This happens to be mine, and it also happens to not agree completely with what yours appears to be, and as such I do hope I haven't offended you. I often to that by accident when I 'tell people what I think'. *L*
Hrm. Your posts make me think you're a lot like my sister.
O_O
Date: 2004-10-04 04:51 am (UTC)All the same, people will justify the use of one nonstandard word or misspelling in order to litter their fic (and I am talking about it mainly in a fic context, but seeing it in manga, a published work and poor translation) with OOC and rife badfic errors.
Gotta love the so-called English language. It's got so many variations... I remember reading a parody once of the Queen of England supposedly ruling to changing English so that all the bizarre "rules" would go out the window and everyone would type 'leyke theese.' Or something like that. It was a joke. ^^;
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Date: 2004-10-04 01:35 pm (UTC)Maybe I just like going on litte ranty campaigns. Who knows. I'm glad you don't think I'm being argumentative. I'm not. It's not my nature (unless you owe me money or something) but I do like to say what I think, and to discuss things and expand ideas, and understanding and such. Unfortunately I'm finding more and more that anything in disagreement with the popular masses turns into "why do you have to be argumentative."
Which has to do with lemmings, and the scientific innacuracy of that. Perhaps the lack of encouragement for independent thinking in society in general.
Now I'm blathering again.
I believe that irony may taste like chicken. I used to love getting essays back that said "thank you for the great essay, now go buy a dictionary and use it."
*L*
I know how to express what I think, but I have never claimed to be a good speller. Especially on certain words, like standarized (or standardised -- I think both are correct, but now you've made me want to crack out my Gage Canadian and see) and the recurrence of poor spellings in published media can lead to people believing that a certain misspelling (or grammatical error) can be correct.
For example, in grammar, it's sneaked, not snuck. Snuck is not a word, though it's accepted as a non standard term in common use, I believe, but don't quote me on that.
My grammar's terrible too!
Yeah, there is such a thing as going overboard, and there are those unable to handle criticism who will simply use that same argument as a scapegoat for not trying. I mean, I can personally excuse the occasional error, or a typo (typos are slowly trying to take over the world), but then there is spelling that's just bad.
As far as I'm concerned though, I think that in terms of writing anything, character, plot, and the important elements of the story should take precendence over grammar and spelling, however, grammar and spelling are still important since that's what makes it readable and understandable.
What I love about spelling and punctuation, is messing around with it in poetry in order to make sentences mean multiple things which adds layering, and I've been known to intentionally start messing with grammar and spelling for artistic reasons, though it does get to a point where it can be considered ineffective, and that's the point where it becomes hard to read and unrecognisable (unrecognizable?).
That said, anyone who tries to excuse non attentive spelling in a bad fic with any excuse is never going to learn how to spell properly anyways. It's annoying, and frustrating, but as long as stupidly bad spelling stays out of print media unless it's needed for artistic reasons, I think we'll all be okay.
I really need to stop going on and on about things in comments on people's journals.
*watches her spelling carefully* >.>...
Date: 2004-10-03 05:23 pm (UTC)I didn't know 'alright' wasn't a word 'till...I don't know but that long ago, and now when I see it, I look at it funny... So yeah, I don't use that variation all that much, but 'alot' I sometimes do just because I type so quickly that I forget the space between the two... ^^;;
(And I find it hilarious that in LJ's spellchecker the corrections for 'alot' do not include 'a lot'... XD)
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Date: 2004-10-03 09:40 pm (UTC)Grr
Date: 2004-10-04 04:53 am (UTC)this is from m-w.com
Date: 2004-10-03 11:04 pm (UTC)usage The one-word spelling alright appeared some 75 years after all right itself had reappeared from a 400-year-long absence. Since the early 20th century some critics have insisted alright is wrong, but it has its defenders and its users. It is less frequent than all right but remains in common use especially in journalistic and business publications. It is quite common in fictional dialogue, and is used occasionally in other writing .
i like m-w.com better because i always use webster's dictionary irl hahahaha
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Date: 2004-10-04 04:54 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-10-04 01:12 am (UTC)Wha?
Date: 2004-10-04 05:03 am (UTC)Re: Wha?
Date: 2004-10-06 12:46 am (UTC)Re: Wha?
Date: 2004-10-06 04:57 am (UTC)