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azuriteOkay, so I'm waiting for Dad to pick me up here at the house... Mom's not even here to see me off, the meanie. I don't even think I've seen her since yesterday morning. -.- Maybe even before that.
I'm probably going to miss the hour-long block of Yu-Gi-Oh if Dad sticks to his word and picks me up in 10 minutes, but if not, I've got it set to record anyway. ^_^ Hopefully there's enough tape. If not, people tell me what happens! Dub funnies and such!
I've tried to pack considering how bored out of my skull I'll be-- little to no comp access, many cousins with VERY different tastes from my own, and next to no money for shopping. *shrugs* I don't know, maybe I should call Jill and them and arrange to chill. I can stay there through Thursday (because I'm that crazy) since I pretty much took the whole week off. O_O
Hey, there's new people in the DM RPG! We now have Isis, Mokuba (COMISH MOKI!!!!!), and Jounouchi (??) ... I think. The Isis is strange; I think her SN is actually with a 1 (one) and not an I, because there's already a bunch of isis_ishtars and Isis_Ishtars and every other variation out there (*gags on site of "Ishizu"*)
*snickers* Priest Fluffy.
I'm going to have to work that one into CO7. *shuts up before she spoils*
Yaoi *does* scare me... but it's not because I don't accept gay/lesbian relationships. What disgusts me most is just because it's more accepted now, suddenly *every* male/female character in a tv show/movie/anime has the potential to have a same-sex 'encounter'. Suddenly, there's no more *room* for straight couples---it's almost abhoring to see a m/f relationship. I've had people *flame* me for writing a m/f lemon. O.o
Does anyone else see how I'm NOT THE ONLY ONE HERE?! Why is it that we can't find het fics anymore, not even smutty ones?! What happened to the days of splendiferous, overflowing LEMON? HENTAI!!!!!! ECCHI!! Gawd, it's getting hard to find even good m/f DOUJIN these days. Makes me all weepy.
I WANT TO START A HET ARCHIVE. Not because I'm a "hater," but because I'd like to find those fics without problems. I doubt FFnet will be installing a yaoi/slash/yuri/whatever filter anytime soon-- and if they did, it'd be a while before it took effect, let alone before people openly categorized their fics as such (though enough of them litter their summaries with 'YAOI!! BOY ON BOY!!') I don't know, is this even plausible?
So, like my friend above said, where have all the straights gone? Where have all the knowledgable-about-gay-relationships people gone? I'm living in the city that was, up until recently, in the middle of contorversy-- SHOCK! Gay marriages! Yeah, homosexuality has been around as long as the human genes have, probably. And people have been having sex since-- well, DUH. So homosexuality is not a new thing. Very commonplace where I'm from, and thus, when you're in different places, sometimes you have to watch yourself and what you say-- not everyone else is comfortable with the fact that there are same-sex couples out there, or girls that are attracted to BOTH genders, or guys that are too. What gets my goat (to quote chaos_val) is that, like she said, so many people so adamant about yaoi would probably never stand up for the IRL couples who are in love with each other and are not (as a cry-worthy summary on FFnet read) "using each other for comfort sex." I mean LOVE is the big thing after all, right? And if someone can present me with a fic --any fic, any fandom where the canon characters are not yaoi or don't have a sexual preference-- that has the person falling in love with someone of the same sex and starting a sexual relationship-- then damn, link me already! I'd love to read a fic where that's done right! Because THAT is realism. (Not to say comfort sex and all that fetishness isn't, but in the fic world, you have to work harder to make that seem anything less than funny.)
Again, I love my friends. :) You know who you are.
Oh, and fanfiction by definition- it's one of those things that's subject to interpretation. But there are manga-ka out there who refuse to let their work get doujined and such... authors that will adamantly oppose the changing of their characters. I doubt Kazuki Takahashi is one of them, given that he's sort of a hermit manga-ka, from what I've heard, but the way I see it, if he wanted Bakura to be a cutting, suicidal maniac, he would have written him that way. And as for relationships... well, it is one of those things that blows horrendously out of proportion and turns a successful shonen story (Yu-Gi-Oh, Ranma) into something SHOUJO!!! Can't have that in Shounen Jump, now can we? (props to anyone that realized I was being sarcastic there)
Anyone else notice that shonen stories tend to last longer than the shoujo ones, even though the latters have drawn-out romance, angst, drama, rinse, repeat? The longest shojo series I have read/heard of is Hana Yori Dango... that comes in at 36 volumes. Ranma and Yu-Gi-Oh both have 38; Inuyasha (which is semi-shonen) stands to have even more than that. And god knows how long pure-shonen stuff like DBZ is.
Back to fics... no fic can be a carbon copy of anything in the series. Even if it's just your take on an episode, taking dialogue from an anime or speech bubbles and action effects from a manga... putting all that into PROSE takes some work, some thought, and a heck of a lot of creativity. Everyone does it differently... so there are multitudes of fics possible for even a single fandom, looking at a single episode, and focusing on TWO characters.
Yeah, having non-canon pairings is what makes fics cool (I've been known to hit up the Seiya/Usagi archives, and I am admittedly a huge fan of Seto/Anzu) but you push the card when the character isn't even recognizable anymore. I suppose Seto in particular is a case worthy of being shrinkified (i.e. psychologically analyzed), since he never seems to profess a romantic/sexual desire for ANYBODY, ANYTIME -- and thus people have more liberties with him in fics (Of course, people still ignore the fact that he hates Jounouchi with a passion, and that Yuugi is a good foot shorter than him).
So let your imaginations run wild and free-- so long as I can recognize the character beyond his "impossibly deep blue eyes." If your character could be replaced by a standard cardboard insert, then it's better off being an original fic with OCs-- OOC is a crime. PERIOD. (I really can't think of exceptions to it, when OOC might be good. Funny, yes, but not necessarily good, especially in serious-fic)
GAH, I hope I'm not starting another fight on the DMRPG. >_< It's just that Marik and Ryou going on candy sprees has got me shuddering, reminded of pathetic authors' notes in the beginning of fics. MARIK AND RYOU, two of the evillest guys in YGO history, going nuts on a CANDY spree?! Maybe for omake, but yeesh... It was a one-time thing, though. Otherwise everyone in the RPG kicks major ass. :)
I should shut up about the whole Set/Seto, Atem/Atemu thing, shouldn't I? I can't argue that Seto is *his* name while Atemu is wrong-- they follow the same rule of Japanese syllablry, though Seto's name never appeared in heiroglyphs... >_< Gah.
*sigh* What I need right now... is some really good fanfiction.
I already re-read Power of the Nile... re-read In the Sands of Egypt... re-read Full Circle...
I'm going to peruse my favorites list and find something yummy.
I'm probably going to miss the hour-long block of Yu-Gi-Oh if Dad sticks to his word and picks me up in 10 minutes, but if not, I've got it set to record anyway. ^_^ Hopefully there's enough tape. If not, people tell me what happens! Dub funnies and such!
I've tried to pack considering how bored out of my skull I'll be-- little to no comp access, many cousins with VERY different tastes from my own, and next to no money for shopping. *shrugs* I don't know, maybe I should call Jill and them and arrange to chill. I can stay there through Thursday (because I'm that crazy) since I pretty much took the whole week off. O_O
Hey, there's new people in the DM RPG! We now have Isis, Mokuba (COMISH MOKI!!!!!), and Jounouchi (??) ... I think. The Isis is strange; I think her SN is actually with a 1 (one) and not an I, because there's already a bunch of isis_ishtars and Isis_Ishtars and every other variation out there (*gags on site of "Ishizu"*)
*snickers* Priest Fluffy.
I'm going to have to work that one into CO7. *shuts up before she spoils*
Yaoi *does* scare me... but it's not because I don't accept gay/lesbian relationships. What disgusts me most is just because it's more accepted now, suddenly *every* male/female character in a tv show/movie/anime has the potential to have a same-sex 'encounter'. Suddenly, there's no more *room* for straight couples---it's almost abhoring to see a m/f relationship. I've had people *flame* me for writing a m/f lemon. O.o
Does anyone else see how I'm NOT THE ONLY ONE HERE?! Why is it that we can't find het fics anymore, not even smutty ones?! What happened to the days of splendiferous, overflowing LEMON? HENTAI!!!!!! ECCHI!! Gawd, it's getting hard to find even good m/f DOUJIN these days. Makes me all weepy.
I WANT TO START A HET ARCHIVE. Not because I'm a "hater," but because I'd like to find those fics without problems. I doubt FFnet will be installing a yaoi/slash/yuri/whatever filter anytime soon-- and if they did, it'd be a while before it took effect, let alone before people openly categorized their fics as such (though enough of them litter their summaries with 'YAOI!! BOY ON BOY!!') I don't know, is this even plausible?
So, like my friend above said, where have all the straights gone? Where have all the knowledgable-about-gay-relationships people gone? I'm living in the city that was, up until recently, in the middle of contorversy-- SHOCK! Gay marriages! Yeah, homosexuality has been around as long as the human genes have, probably. And people have been having sex since-- well, DUH. So homosexuality is not a new thing. Very commonplace where I'm from, and thus, when you're in different places, sometimes you have to watch yourself and what you say-- not everyone else is comfortable with the fact that there are same-sex couples out there, or girls that are attracted to BOTH genders, or guys that are too. What gets my goat (to quote chaos_val) is that, like she said, so many people so adamant about yaoi would probably never stand up for the IRL couples who are in love with each other and are not (as a cry-worthy summary on FFnet read) "using each other for comfort sex." I mean LOVE is the big thing after all, right? And if someone can present me with a fic --any fic, any fandom where the canon characters are not yaoi or don't have a sexual preference-- that has the person falling in love with someone of the same sex and starting a sexual relationship-- then damn, link me already! I'd love to read a fic where that's done right! Because THAT is realism. (Not to say comfort sex and all that fetishness isn't, but in the fic world, you have to work harder to make that seem anything less than funny.)
Again, I love my friends. :) You know who you are.
Oh, and fanfiction by definition- it's one of those things that's subject to interpretation. But there are manga-ka out there who refuse to let their work get doujined and such... authors that will adamantly oppose the changing of their characters. I doubt Kazuki Takahashi is one of them, given that he's sort of a hermit manga-ka, from what I've heard, but the way I see it, if he wanted Bakura to be a cutting, suicidal maniac, he would have written him that way. And as for relationships... well, it is one of those things that blows horrendously out of proportion and turns a successful shonen story (Yu-Gi-Oh, Ranma) into something SHOUJO!!! Can't have that in Shounen Jump, now can we? (props to anyone that realized I was being sarcastic there)
Anyone else notice that shonen stories tend to last longer than the shoujo ones, even though the latters have drawn-out romance, angst, drama, rinse, repeat? The longest shojo series I have read/heard of is Hana Yori Dango... that comes in at 36 volumes. Ranma and Yu-Gi-Oh both have 38; Inuyasha (which is semi-shonen) stands to have even more than that. And god knows how long pure-shonen stuff like DBZ is.
Back to fics... no fic can be a carbon copy of anything in the series. Even if it's just your take on an episode, taking dialogue from an anime or speech bubbles and action effects from a manga... putting all that into PROSE takes some work, some thought, and a heck of a lot of creativity. Everyone does it differently... so there are multitudes of fics possible for even a single fandom, looking at a single episode, and focusing on TWO characters.
Yeah, having non-canon pairings is what makes fics cool (I've been known to hit up the Seiya/Usagi archives, and I am admittedly a huge fan of Seto/Anzu) but you push the card when the character isn't even recognizable anymore. I suppose Seto in particular is a case worthy of being shrinkified (i.e. psychologically analyzed), since he never seems to profess a romantic/sexual desire for ANYBODY, ANYTIME -- and thus people have more liberties with him in fics (Of course, people still ignore the fact that he hates Jounouchi with a passion, and that Yuugi is a good foot shorter than him).
So let your imaginations run wild and free-- so long as I can recognize the character beyond his "impossibly deep blue eyes." If your character could be replaced by a standard cardboard insert, then it's better off being an original fic with OCs-- OOC is a crime. PERIOD. (I really can't think of exceptions to it, when OOC might be good. Funny, yes, but not necessarily good, especially in serious-fic)
GAH, I hope I'm not starting another fight on the DMRPG. >_< It's just that Marik and Ryou going on candy sprees has got me shuddering, reminded of pathetic authors' notes in the beginning of fics. MARIK AND RYOU, two of the evillest guys in YGO history, going nuts on a CANDY spree?! Maybe for omake, but yeesh... It was a one-time thing, though. Otherwise everyone in the RPG kicks major ass. :)
I should shut up about the whole Set/Seto, Atem/Atemu thing, shouldn't I? I can't argue that Seto is *his* name while Atemu is wrong-- they follow the same rule of Japanese syllablry, though Seto's name never appeared in heiroglyphs... >_< Gah.
*sigh* What I need right now... is some really good fanfiction.
I already re-read Power of the Nile... re-read In the Sands of Egypt... re-read Full Circle...
I'm going to peruse my favorites list and find something yummy.
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Date: 2004-04-10 11:11 am (UTC)And I back you 100%.
Also, I joined DM RPG. I play Shizuka ^_^
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Date: 2004-04-10 11:50 am (UTC)I agree with you on yaoi. Searching for a decent buddy fic is impossable. It's gotten to the point that if I wanna read a story about Yugi and Jou, I have to skim or suffer through reading about a romantic relationship. Arg. But, of course, if you made an all het pairing website you'd be a bigot. However, there's probably a bunch of yaoi-only collections out there that are all owned by "open minded" people. (Note the sarcasm)
And you totally didn't miss anything on the hour long block this morning. They replayed the episodes where Kaiba and Yugi fight against Umbra and... Lumos (?) on top of the building. It put the fear of the shadow realm in me, let me tell you. Cuz falling through a 30 story building doesn't freak me out enough.
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Date: 2004-04-10 12:34 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-04-10 01:10 pm (UTC)I've never been a fan of the majority Hentai/ Ecchi/ Lemon stuff, and that may because, by general definition (and I could be wrong here, since I'm not an afficianado) they are "written pornography". There isn't much of a plot, and the only "goal" or "journey" the characters get into is "lets see how many times/ people we can bed in the next 30 paragraphs". The plot is nill, and when it comes to romantic build-up, SNORE! It's just "Hey, you're got breasts and a vagina/ penis/ both/ neither, lemme give you a quickie and move on." Or, even worse, "I've just been beat-up/ raped/ dumped/ suicidal, PLEASE HAVE SEX WITH ME! That's the only thing that can make me feel better!"
The bulk of all those stories is nothing more than SEX. It's not even SMUT, because smut is all fluff and emotions and ooey-gooey goodness. There may be sex, but you better believe it's because they spent the last 9 chapters getting close, crying on shoulders and letting their hearts pound. Smut is emotional. Hentai is physical.
I've been trying to explain to my boyfriend why I love fanfiction so much and what makes a good fanfic so hard to find and so hard to write. While I can enjoy a good A/R, where the characters are still in their "real" world, I think my greatest joy comes from finding/ writing an A/U, where you throw them into the most unthinkable, odd, strange places/ situations/ circumstances and yet you can STILL make the character THEMSELVES. Anyone can write something where Usagi and Mamoru go on a killing spree together, but can you actually make me BELIEVE it?
And that brings me to your point about non-canon pairings, which I have a general dislike for; and that's only because I can't think of a single FF that I've read that has pulled it off successfully, let ALONE a hentai non-canon pairing. I mean, I think the capacity for the characters to wind up with anyone is out there, but PLEASE! Try to justify your choice. Why are Seiya and Mamoru suddenly a couple? It can NOT be simply because Seiya noticed he had one fine piece of ass, because that does not explain away Mamoru's flaming heterosexuality OR Seiya's feelings for Usagi/ Fireball. RL people do not just "change" like that - emotions fuel everything we do in this world, and my goal as a fic writer is to make sure the characters I'm producing are prompted by the same things; in other words, I want my characters to be realistic. And if someone else can't be bothered enough to even TRY to do that, then I can't be bothered to TRY to read their story. (Incidentally, I think that is why we have so many "cliched" fics out there, like the first season "get together" fics or the second season "break-up" fics in SM. The show has given a framework to build upon, and it leaves virtually no room for originality, and thus the writer doesn't have to work hard to create a believable story.)
And that was way longer than I had planned, but I could expound so much more. I share your frustrations on a lot of levels, and I'm just as flabbergasted as you are that people would DEFEND the crap that is out there.
Waiii! Thanks for reviewing my ficcie!
Date: 2004-04-10 01:48 pm (UTC)As for Ishizu or Isis - which is the right one? o_O I've heard people mention Ishizu in their journals but I've been using Isis.
I also got her age wrong on one of my replies to Mokuba. ;_; Waaii...
Dang, it's hard to keep in character when your own personality is different from the character you're playing. XD
By the way, many thanks for reviewing my ficcie! I know this sounds pathetic but I was like *squee* when I found out you reviewed it. ^_^ I fixed the Yugi/Yuugi spelling in my YGO ficcie plus the English noblewoman part (she's suppose to be Grecian but I had stuck down English for some reason >_O) Thanks for pointing that out to me. @_@ I read it over and I still didn't catch it! ^_^;; As for the Atem/Atemu - girl, keep on griping at us newbie YGO writers about it. I've read more profiles of the Pharaoh using the spelling Atemu so I was inclined to use Atemu. @_@ I actually thought that the person who used Atem forgot to put down a letter. But I did go back through my ficcies and change them. ^_^ Woot.
~Svelte
O_O!!!!
Date: 2004-04-10 04:59 pm (UTC)We can totally torture 'Kaiba!' :DDDD
*shudder*
Date: 2004-04-10 05:01 pm (UTC)BUDDYFICS! OMG, I would love to see one of those. I wrote one for Sailormoon a while back, but some for YGO would be great. *gets all determined* ... *deflates* What would the plot be?
Hey, I think there's a few charas left for the RPG... I know there's ones that will show up as the dub progresses.
Bwahaha.
Date: 2004-04-10 05:05 pm (UTC)*snicker*
It's still funny. It's like a cross between Sesshomaru and Miroku from Inuyasha... only... not. It's Seto.
(In a pink fluffy bathrobe)
Re: Waiii! Thanks for reviewing my ficcie!
Date: 2004-04-10 05:19 pm (UTC)She's 20-- older than any of the other YGO charas save Pegasus, the SPs (Croquet, Kemo, etc.) and maybe Odion.
And as for Atem/Atemu... either works. If I said otherwise before, ignore me, I was being stupid. Atemu is the romanization of the heiroglyphs, and Atem is probably the closest Egyptian name-match (considering how Egyptian didn't have vowels ending their names that often).
Re: *shudder*
Date: 2004-04-10 06:02 pm (UTC)I joined the RPG! I'm Honda (who mispelled "Commander" in the screenname. Gurrrrr...)
Re: *shudder*
Date: 2004-04-10 06:05 pm (UTC)Re: *shudder*
Date: 2004-04-10 06:18 pm (UTC)Re: Waiii! Thanks for reviewing my ficcie!
Date: 2004-04-10 08:22 pm (UTC)As for the age, I was checking up at http://www.ygo-domain.tk/ and it said that Mai was 24 years old with Isis being 20. How old is Mai really? Is she in the same age range or a couple of years older than the YGO group?
~Svelte
Re: Waiii! Thanks for reviewing my ficcie!
Date: 2004-04-10 09:33 pm (UTC)Re: Waiii! Thanks for reviewing my ficcie!
Date: 2004-04-10 09:33 pm (UTC)Re: *shudder*
Date: 2004-04-10 11:22 pm (UTC)Re: Waiii! Thanks for reviewing my ficcie!
Date: 2004-04-11 01:08 am (UTC)Re: Waiii! Thanks for reviewing my ficcie!
Date: 2004-04-11 01:20 am (UTC)Re: Waiii! Thanks for reviewing my ficcie!
Date: 2004-04-11 01:22 am (UTC)